Posts by Sea Breeze

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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!

by Sea Breeze in

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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.

Sea Breeze

Codex Vaticanus and Sinaiticus (late 4th century) disagree with 90% of extant manuscripts. They have faded and have been written over several times over the centuries, making it impossible to know what was originall written on them. Most scholars agree they had at leaast 4 different redactors. They disagree with each over 7000 times! They are loaded with scratchouts, and scratch-outs of the scratchouts. All of this makes it imposible for them to be reliable.

Millions of Christians have good reason to not accept their authiority.

Manuscripts that are far older than Vaticanus and Sinaiticus correcty render the vers as "Lord".

Analysis of Peshitta verse 1Corinthians 15:47

Translations

(Etheridge) The first man who is of the earth is dust, the second man the Lord from heaven.

(Murdock) The first man was of dust from the earth; the second man was the Lord from heaven.

(Lamsa) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the LORD from heaven.

(KJV) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

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Members of congregation know it’s not true

by Mikejw in

we have lonely old folks and even some not so old.. they know the gb are not who they claim to be.. but they stay in the congregation because they are lonely.

i wonder what percentage of jws this is the case, i would guess a lot.

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Sea Breeze

Yes, they know the borganizartion isn't true, they know the leaders are idiots, and they know they have been fooled with end-times false prophecies.

But......................... they still love the lying theology. Lying theology like you can atone for your own sins just by dying and that there is no consciousness after you die and the main lie: If you got something wrong, no worries, you get to have a do-over and try to be good for a thousand years while God gives you timberframe houses next to waterfalls and your own personal petting zoo.

The resurrection of the unrighteous in NOT what the WT lyingly claims:

The hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. - Jesus

Having rejected the opportuninty to be judged based on the works of Jesus {the righteous), people will be judged on their own works (the unrighteous).

There will be no lions and bears to hug at the Great White Throne Judgment (after the Millenium), only cold hard justice.

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Members of congregation know it’s not true

by Mikejw in

we have lonely old folks and even some not so old.. they know the gb are not who they claim to be.. but they stay in the congregation because they are lonely.

i wonder what percentage of jws this is the case, i would guess a lot.

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Sea Breeze

JWs have a huge turnover.

@Anony Mous

It could be the most of ANY group.

Hindus, Muslims and Jews Have Highest Retention Rates

In other words, even when facing the most horific costs associated with leaving like losing your loved ones due to the extreme shunning.... 2/3 of JW kids still no longer identify with Watchtower as adults.

Think about that.

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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!

by Sea Breeze in

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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.

Sea Breeze

Which modern English version do you say includes the word “Lord”?

@SlimBoyFat

534 Tyndale Bible

1535 Coverdale Bible

1537 Matthew's Bible

1539 The Great Bible

1560/99 Geneva Bible

1568 Bishops Bible

1611 King James Bible

1769 King James Bible

1833 Webster's Bible

1862 Young's Literal

1876 Julia E. Smith

1993 J.P. Green's Literal

2000 Revised YLT NT

2016 King James Bible

21st Century KJV

New King James Version

Modern English Version (2013)

I'm sure there a few more I missed.

I'm curious as to whether of not you believe if how the early church leaders quoted verses should affect a person's view on verses disputed by Unitarians such as yourself?

Do you believe quotes from disciples that the apostles trained have any bearing on bible readings you dispute?

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EXPLOSIVE NEW LEAKED VIDEO OF C.O. CHASTISING ELDERS

by raymond frantz in

jw
friends

https://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.

shame is an ancient form of control.

shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.

Sea Breeze

@nicolau,

I stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address. If you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what Jesus offers, then why don't YOU present that in a new topic?

If you really don't have one, you just end looking like another atheist blowhard with an ax to grind against Christians.

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EXPLOSIVE NEW LEAKED VIDEO OF C.O. CHASTISING ELDERS

by raymond frantz in

jw
friends

https://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.

shame is an ancient form of control.

shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.

Sea Breeze

Nicolaou,

God ... Won't lift a finger to protect you from an assailant or rapist....

You have no way of knowing if this is true or not, especially since you are an atheist.

As you already know, the answer to evil is to either judge it or take away our free will, make us robots and prevent the possibility of evil. Over and over a man who predicted that he would die and raise himself from the dead, while he was dead, said that there would be a personal judgment for everyone. That is God's answer to the problem of evil. You just don't like it, even though you have no clue of a practical and acceptable alternative.

Billions of people have rejected the meaningless atheist drivel like what you present. It offers no hope, no justice and no solution to the problem of evil or death.

Building on this ignorance, you "reason" that faith based addiction programs are a waste of time since evil still exists.

This study reviews the voluminous empirical evidence on faith’s contribution to preventing people from falling victim to addictions and helping them recover from it. 73% of addiction treatment programs in the USA include a spirituality-based element, as embodied in the 12-step programs and fellowships initially popularized by Alcoholics Anonymous, the vast majority of which emphasize reliance on God or a Higher Power to stay sober.

The nearly 130,000 congregation-based substance abuse recovery support programs in the USA contributes up to $316.6 billion in savings to the US economy every year at no cost to tax payers. 84% of scientific studies show that faith is a positive factor in addiction prevention or recovery.

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EXPLOSIVE NEW LEAKED VIDEO OF C.O. CHASTISING ELDERS

by raymond frantz in

jw
friends

https://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.

shame is an ancient form of control.

shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.

Sea Breeze

Where is any of the nonsense presented in this video found in the bible? All pure cult manure. All based on will power.... no credit to God for victory over this or any other addiction.

May be an image of text

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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!

by Sea Breeze in

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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.

Sea Breeze

That is not true SBF.

But you are correct that the early Christians referred to Jesus as "God" and "Lord" when referring to him in their writings. That verse reads the same in the Modern English Version as well as several others. It also reads that way in the vast majority of all ancient manuscripts.

But, that's not the point. The point is that the WT used it as the Word of God, and taught at one time that Jesus was "the Lord from heaven". They also depicted him on a cross as well as debunked the idea that he was an an incarnated angel.

That was a new one for me when I saw this posted on FB.

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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!

by Sea Breeze in

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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.

Sea Breeze

I think there is a lot here that most JW's today would deny.

The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second man was the Lord from heaven. - 1 Cor. 15: 47

That's huge.

Me: Excuse me Mr. J. W. Cartman,

Were you aware that the Watchtower used to teach that Jesus was "the Lord from heaven"?

Them: No, that is not possible. The truth never changes.

Me: It's true. It is printed right here in this book titled The Harp of God, written by a president of your church. It is located right next to this picture of Jesus hanging on a cross.

4 Major Obstacles to Effective Listening - KMM Consulting

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What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

by Starlight.vee in

like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

Sea Breeze

The angel told John not to worship him because that angel was not God, he was a minister of God which all angels are. And not only is Jehovah God a spirit but all angels are spirits, and all angels are God's sons', including Satan.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

Do not let anyone cheat you of your reward by delighting in false humility and the worship of angels, dwelling on those things which he has not seen, vainly arrogant due to his unspiritual mind. - Col. 2:18 MEV

Now can you expalin to me from the bible how you are saved? Do you still personally reject the New Covcenant "for the forgiveness of sins" in Mt. 26: 27-28 ?